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	<title>Comments on: Stackoverflow.com &#8211; First Impressions</title>
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		<title>By: New Adventures in Software &#187; More thoughts on Stackoverflow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Adventures in Software &#187; More thoughts on Stackoverflow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jos, I think it&#039;s a good point about DZone&#039;s votes not being anonymous.  That might work for Stackoverflow.  Being able to see who voted up an answer (along with their reputation), might be useful to help people evaluate answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jos, I think it&#8217;s a good point about DZone&#8217;s votes not being anonymous.  That might work for Stackoverflow.  Being able to see who voted up an answer (along with their reputation), might be useful to help people evaluate answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jos Hirth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jos Hirth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Apparently, earlier in the beta, users were posting answers to questions and then voting down everybody else’s answers so that their answer would appear at the top.&quot;

Reddit suffers from this issue. Everything looks like a controversial topic if you look at the up and down votes. The sad truth is that there are a lot of people who down vote everything except their own posts.

If you don&#039;t get dozens of up votes in the first few minutes, your post will down-vote-flooded into oblivion and it won&#039;t be able to recover.

This makes Reddit very random. After having used it for a few months I still don&#039;t know what&#039;s suitable for it and what isn&#039;t. You never know how many of those down votes were genuine and how many are collateral damage by people who game the system. I&#039;d guess that as much as 90% are random drive-by down votes.

They basically took approval voting and then broke it in the most horrible way. Up/down and counting these sounds simple, but it doesn&#039;t work. In general nothing which relies on everyone&#039;s good behavior (email spam is a good example) works as intended.

DZone is insofar funny, that it kind of ignores the down votes completely. They are displayed, but that&#039;s it. The votes are also not anonymous, which makes gaming more apparent.

Creating a better system than Reddit&#039;s isn&#039;t that hard since it&#039;s so fundamentally broken that it isn&#039;t even funny anymore. For example there could be only up votes (approval voting), report as spam, and indirect down voting by writing a comment tagged as negative. Adding some cost to down votes is sensible. Down voting usually isn&#039;t necessary anyways. Things go down on their own as others go to the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apparently, earlier in the beta, users were posting answers to questions and then voting down everybody else’s answers so that their answer would appear at the top.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reddit suffers from this issue. Everything looks like a controversial topic if you look at the up and down votes. The sad truth is that there are a lot of people who down vote everything except their own posts.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t get dozens of up votes in the first few minutes, your post will down-vote-flooded into oblivion and it won&#8217;t be able to recover.</p>
<p>This makes Reddit very random. After having used it for a few months I still don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s suitable for it and what isn&#8217;t. You never know how many of those down votes were genuine and how many are collateral damage by people who game the system. I&#8217;d guess that as much as 90% are random drive-by down votes.</p>
<p>They basically took approval voting and then broke it in the most horrible way. Up/down and counting these sounds simple, but it doesn&#8217;t work. In general nothing which relies on everyone&#8217;s good behavior (email spam is a good example) works as intended.</p>
<p>DZone is insofar funny, that it kind of ignores the down votes completely. They are displayed, but that&#8217;s it. The votes are also not anonymous, which makes gaming more apparent.</p>
<p>Creating a better system than Reddit&#8217;s isn&#8217;t that hard since it&#8217;s so fundamentally broken that it isn&#8217;t even funny anymore. For example there could be only up votes (approval voting), report as spam, and indirect down voting by writing a comment tagged as negative. Adding some cost to down votes is sensible. Down voting usually isn&#8217;t necessary anyways. Things go down on their own as others go to the top.</p>
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